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still Conscious of Being, you realize that that was no more than a misconception
about you the Conceiver.
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…it would have to be sane in order to be Conscious
of itSelf as It IS. So be not afraid of insanity, because it is an illegitimate
state…
(Laughter)
Sandra: Good, I was hoping that was a fact. I feel
better now.
Freedom: Insanity I would call one of the illegitimate
offspring of Consciousness as Root. And we know
there are endless numbers of illegitimate offspring. They are merely conceivable,
though, they have no entity, nor will they ever have. If I go to sleep
to my Divinity and occupy that state as a condition, I appear to be contained
in it and controlled by it. But when I wake, and this is going on all
the time, you can’t stop it. The awakening process is underway. You can’t
stop it.
Sandra: That word “insanity” used to be real scary,
but I like it now. Not in the world sense, just in a human sense; a few
of the little boundaries taken off.
Freedom: Right. Longfellow wrote it. It can’t quote
the thing, but he speaks of the Divine Insanity
of Noble Minds. You know it…
…something finds and what it cannot find creates
– the Divine Insanity of Noble Minds, because it finds it in ItSelf. It
is not satisfied with taking the established literal sense of what sanity
is… Oh, beware of that one… They said to Wagner that he was crazy
because he climbed trees and hooted like an
owl. They said, “What would you do to cure insanity?” And he said, “I
would have you occasionally climb a tree and hoot like an owl.” (Laughter)
If you have merely conformed to what is considered
the established law, you’re the daughter or son of Hagar – you’re Ismael.
You’re the son of the bondwoman. You’re in bondage to this “they say,”
or this wonderful term they use in literature in England: “Oh, it’s not
the done thing,” or that’s because “It’s the done thing.” But if you find
yourself in bondage to the “done thing,” all the time, then you’re done
[in].
I want to take this one before we take a break:
Rev. 22:12-14 – “And, behold, I come quickly; and
my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I Am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that
they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the
gates into the city.”
Now, it says, “I come quickly, and my reward is with
me.” So who is rewarded, and what is the reward? Consciousness is rewarded
with Being Awake to Its Totality, to honestly realizing I Am All there
Is to all that appears to be.
Tirza: That’s Freedom.
Freedom: That’s the Real Freedom. That’s one of the
Features of my Being. It’s a fundamental Feature of Being.
Tirza: Free to Be yourSelf?
Freedom: Right! Spelled with a capital S.
________: It’s not a person because somewhere in
the Bible it says God is no respecter of persons. I love that one…
Freedom: It’s true. God is not a respecter of persons.
Consciousness interprets as/in the language of person, place, thing, but
It knows that It Is not a person. The respect is not for the person, but
for the One Who Is Identifying.
Tirza: Because the person is really the state personified.
Freedom: The state personified or the Feature personified.
It need not be just the state. You can personify Features, happily, but
the person does not, the personification does not, it’s the Feature…
Tirza: The Glory of God…
Freedom: The Glory. All the Features are the Glory.
Want to walk around a little; I don’t want you to get ossified. (Break)
Freedom: I was thinking that it would be the best
place to pick up from where we dropped it is the Gospel of John, the 8th
Chapter,
Verses 28-29. And it sort of says in Scriptural terms
exactly what is to me the crux of this whole session:
John 8:28-29 – “Then says Jesus unto them…”
You’ll notice I read in present tense, you have to get the sense that
this is not what somebody once did or said or what that was about. If
you read it in present tense, remember that this is the I Am of You that’s
saying it. It makes so much better sense; there’s a greater immediacy
to it.
“Then says Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up
the Son of man, then shall ye know that I Am He, and that I do nothing
of myself; but as my Father has taught me, I speak these things. And He
that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do always
those things that please him.” In other words, Root does not leave offspring
out there to fend for himself. They’re not separate entities.
“When ye have lifted up the Son of man…” that is
to say the Presence of All manifestation; when you have lifted It up in
your sense of what It Is, “then shall ye know that I Am” the One that
you’ve been calling He. “…and that I do nothing of myself; but as my
Father has taught me, I speak these things.” Who’s doing all of this?
The I of You is the only One that can ever do anything,
that you will ever know anything about. It does not leave you alone, helpless,
to try to find a way out of the morass. The map is displayed, it’s already
charted, and you know before you descend the way back.
The purpose in doing it is that having lived as the
evidence, you’ll Awake with increased Self Awareness.
That’s the meaning of the fall and the redemption. Someone was asking,
during the break, about the purposes of affliction. This is Blake’s term
that when he speaks of God casting himself into the furnaces of affliction;
I think you can find his basis for calling it that in Isaiah when he says:
“for mine own sake I do it. For how should my name be polluted?” Isa.
48:10
No matter how it’s burned or mistreated or misconceived
or misinterpreted, how can it ever be anything that It isn’t, as far as
what It Is is concerned. “…how can my name be polluted?” It will never
be destroyed in the fire. The only thing that will ever be destroyed is
the misconception of it, or as you said, the enemy.
My enemy is my incorrectly understood concept; I know
I’m messing up your paraphrase, but it’s something like that. The enemy
is my unredeemed misconceptions of mySelf. And it’s not somebody that’s
got a will to fight me. There’s is no one here but the One who originally
fell asleep to His Divinity and began dreaming that He was you
as a person, alive in a set of personal circumstances. The Being Is One
and always the same One. Now, here’s an example of how to make
this very, very practical, as we are told it in the 10th Chapter of Luke,
verses 25-37. It’s a wonderful story, and even if you interpret it literally,
it carries its message, but there is so much more in it when you take
it through those three levels and get back to Who It Is.
Luke 10:25-28 – “Behold, a certain lawyer (that is
the pride of intellect) stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what
shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written
in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said
unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”
You can recite the Catechism by heart, you know it,
but this do and you shall live…
Luke 10:29-37 – “And he, willing to justify himself,
said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor? And Jesus answering says, A certain
man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which
stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him
half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way; and
when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite,
when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the
other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was;
and when he saw him, he had compassion on him. And went to him, and bound
up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine (let’s say dedication and inspiration,
taken literally even), set him on his own beast, and brought him to an
inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took
out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care
of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay
thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbor unto him that
fell among the thieves? And he said, He that
shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.”
Now, the greatest mercy you can ever show on… (this
is no argument against doing a charitable deed, but the greatest mercy
you can ever do is to translate that back Home where It Is.)
In other words, he goes where He Is.
Vern, may I paraphrase that story you told me? It
seems there was a Mother Superior who stepped outside the convent, and
she saw this terribly disheveled man looking so down in the dumps, just
a derelict. He hadn’t shaved; he had ragged clothes and so forth. So she
opened up her ___________ and took out some folding money and handed it
to him and said, “This is to help you out, sir. All is not lost; you need
not be dismayed; don’t despair.” So he took the money and went. The next
morning, he returns to the convent. He knocks on the door, and Mother
Superior appears. Here he is: clean shaven, dressed
in the height of fashion, and hands her this envelope and says, “Thank
you so for your good deed yesterday. Don’t Despair paid twenty to one.”
I love it. I love it. But you see, here’s the thing, we’re
all doing it all the time:
Luke 10:30 – “…and he goes down from Jerusalem
to Jericho…” where he’s contemplating only from the sense level, where
“…he fell among thieves.” That’s what we do; if we are thinking from
that standpoint of literalism, we get stripped of all our Features as
actually present and functioning. They can’t get It away from us, but
they might just as well be able to take Them all from us if we’re not
Conscious of having Them functioning. They “…departed,
leaving him half dead.”
Luke 10:31 – “And by chance there came down a certain
priest…”
O.K. This is clothed in the cloak of respectability
or ecclesiasticism. Ecclesiasticism tells you
what’s nice to do about it. Then there comes a
Levite. Now, the definition in Strong’s for that is “attached.” In other
words, you take everything at face value; that’s the way it is, that’s
the way it always was; just accepting the status quo. Then, there comes
a certain Samaritan – Samaria is the “watchtower.”
The Samaritan is “that which takes heed, attends to.”
In other words, that mode of functioning in yourself, that moral, behavioral
level where you do something about it and that’s moving from offspring
to Root. It says “he sets him on his own beast,” brings him to the inn
in Jerusalem where he, himself, dwells. It’s always the same One. I say
the story is perfectly applicable on the most
literal level; it’s perfectly applicable on the mental level; it’s perfectly
applicable on the behavioral level. But it is done from the Spiritual
depth where there’s no gainsay, there’s nobody
to say “yeah” or “nay;” there’s no opposition to it, no resistance to
it; no lapse of your best intention.
That’s where I’m going to leave it for today, because
I want you to…
I’d rather we use this time for your concerns because
that’s why we’re here is to… if these things aren’t made practical and
perfectly useable, then they’re not worth the
wind it takes to tell them.
Sean: Where is the reference to Ai?
Freedom: That’s in Joshua, the 8th Chapter of Joshua,
and I ran up to verse 19 – 1 to 19. I didn’t
do them all, but most of them, making the story quicker.
Sean: Earlier, the reference to Gothan?
Freedom: Yes, that is in 2nd Kings, the 6th Chapter,
verses 8-17.
Are there any others that I… I know I just read
ahead in some places and never told you where they are. Would anyone like
to tell me about the trip to the Castle last night? What was the impression
from that? I’ve never seen the night tour, so I don’t know what they…
I worked there for 16 years, and I’ve been gone for 14, so you can see,
these things are getting slightly dim in my perception.
Vern: They had people up there who probably were
actors or persons who sat at tables playing cards.
Freedom: Those are not people who were there at his
time, because you have to realize that he was not there after 1940…
He was not there at all during the Second World War,
so it was after 1939.
Vern: It seemed like they were trying to present
a present use of wares, because you go into
the kitchen, and you see a bowl full of lemons
in it and other foods, as if someone…
Freedom: However, may I pay tribute to another way
of doing it?
And that’s through Colleen Moore who had been a guest
there many, many, many times, and she told me this that when she published
her book on her doll house that she made during the Depression and took
it on tour and made $600,00 for children, she said they had purposely
left out living off images. The house is for such things, but they purposely
left out dolls, or images of individuals, and she said that was so right.
She said, “I realize now how right that intention was, because when I
asked this little boy who had been to the… ” it’s on permanent display
at the Museum of Industrial Arts in Chicago, and her grand-daughter goes
there every day and changes it every week, to dust it and change the light
bulbs; the light bulbs the size of a grain of wheat. And she asked this
little boy, “What do you like best; what impressed you the most?” “I liked
that time in the kitchen just after she had taken the ginger snaps out
of the oven.”
In other words, let the imagination do it. The child
had gotten so much more out of it; if there had been somebody standing
there with a tray of cookies, it probably wouldn’t have done a thing to
him.
But he was enabled to envision that whole thing just
by the set up. Of course, the fact is about the castle, there’s so much
more there then the personal use of it; that’s the miracle of the place.
Tirza: Can I ask a question? From the tour that I
received, it was implied that he was a grown up, spoiled little boy who
was deeply asleep in the drama; very much into the glitter and glitz and
all of the stuff of the drama – cemented in, literally cemented and cinder
blocked into a conception of life, but what
it felt like was an absolute vacancy of life. They also said that he didn’t
know any of the symbolic art, and he didn’t have any idea of the Christian
art; he had no idea of the Christian art. It was just there so he could
look like the big boy in town.
Freedom: I’m so glad I wasn’t on that tour; I would
have had a fight. I know it. I used to hear it in the years that I worked
there. We who guided tours also had to be a
rear guard on a tour once a day. I hated it with a purple passion, because
one thing, you are the ogre. You have to keep
them from walking on rugs, you have to keep them from touching anything,
and if they ask you a question, you have to say I don’t know, because
you don’t want to interrupt the guide who is doing the tour at the other
end. And there were so many times I would have loved to have set them
straight, because all you have to do is, if you want to go to the Library
at Cal Poly at San Luis Obispo and read the correspondence between W.R.
Hearst and
Julia Morgan… When she died, all of her artifacts…I
mean correspondence went to her nephew, Morgan North. When he died, his
widow knew not what to do with it, so she willed it to the Library at
Cal Poly. This was the most perfect place for it. When the correspondence
was made available, I began reading it, and from the first letter in August
of 1919 through the beginning of the next February, these sheets stacked
on top of each other, at least more than a foot, just ideas of what he
was going to do there. And if you want to be staggered by someone’s perceptions
and someone’s penetration of the symbolism of Christian art, not to mention
Islamic art, all you have to do is read these letters.
Tirza: The guide said absolutely he had no idea.
Freedom: Yeah. I have known…
Tirza: They’ve done this to others, too. They made
Mrs. Winchester look like a blithering idiot.
Freedom: Right. I recommend to anyone who can go
to the show in the Imax Theater that they show at the visitors’ center.
I have not seen it yet, but one of my colleagues did go, and he said that
it is a wonderful experience. I think it costs
$6.00 to see it, but you don’t have to go up, and while it doesn’t show
you what you see up there, you get a sense of his vision. I want very
much to go up and see that sometime before Christmas. I’m going to get
around to that.
____________: You said there’s a movie there?
Freedom: There’s an Imax Theater; you know, one of
these places where you are the experience. Like they had one just outside
the Grand Canyon. It’s fabulous, the experience of being in the Grand
Canyon instead of looking at it. I’m sure you’ve seen… I saw one one
time in San Diego on Niagara Falls, where you go over the falls. I saw
one in Alaska called the Alaska Experience, and I mean you are in this
plane. I was making my neighbors black and blue. I mean there was no way
it was ever going to make it up over this precipice.
It’s marvelous. It’s like cinerama only multiplied
to the nth degree.
It’s at the Visitor’s Center, where you go to get
your tickets. It’s at that level. You don’t have to go up or anything.
As I understand, these are all built in the same way. While it’s a domed
structure above ground, it is also excavated into the ground so that you
have this total experience. It, at least, presents him as someone of perception.
It used to gall me to hear the things I had to listen to trailing a tour,
because some guides got a kick out of making somebody seem small and stupid.
Sandra: How could someone even look at that and think
that he didn’t know what he was doing.
Freedom: Anyone with any perception couldn’t. One
day, I was guiding a tour, and here my favorite thing about the tour is
the facade on the main building. The whole history of the American cultural
inheritance of the meeting of east and west is told on the front of that
building. And here a man of obvious development asked the guide, he said,
“What’s all that mish-mash? What’s it about?” She said, “He liked mish-mash.”
I let it go. I had to swallow hard, because I wanted very much to hold
him behind and show him what it meant. If you understand it, it is simple
to see. The facade, since it was built around a collection, you could
not do an architectural replication of some period somewhere, because
this whole place is a repository for America’s heritage from east and
west over a period of thirty five centuries, thirty five hundred years
I’m talking about, from ancient Egypt up to the present time. O.K. To
tell that story, and this is his vision I’m telling you, the more I read
into that correspondence, the more I saw that what I had divined about
it from it was in his intention. Right across
the middle, there is this band of cast concrete which shows coming from
the west the Christians to retake the Holy Land. Meeting them half-way
are the Saracens coming to defend their Holy
Land. You recognize the Saracens by their ______________ (weapons?), pantaloons,
brandishing these things. That’s Christianity and Islam meeting.
Architecturally, from that point to the top, everything
is of the Eastern world. From those domed towers,
to the Islamic filigree in the windows, the tiles from Persia, even the
carved teak. From the top to the frieze, you have all the Eastern world;
whereas, from there to the ground, you have Christianity’s impact on Western
civilization.
And those figures cannot just have been thrown up
there, because somebody happened to have them in a collection. Right in
the center where East meets West, there is a thirteenth century Madonna
showing the origin of Christianity, and making a triangle from that point
of her crown as the queen of heaven down to St. Peter on the left with
the Key to the Kingdom, and St. Paul on the right with the dagger and
the Scriptures, defending the faith, shows how Christianity began, how
it was spread into the world. From the triangle, finding the doorway,
which is made from a pair of convent gates where in 16th century Spain,
they were putting into practice what they knew, supposedly in prayer.
Flanking those gates are a pair of 15th century wild men, animal nature.
We all come into the world with that, but if we do as they do in the convent,
practice what they know, you redeem that. You move your way from that;
you can make another triangle within the larger – you go from this wildness
to the figure over the door, which is right under the Madonna, showing
the victorious hunter. He’s found his Identity; he’s found his Source.
Or in other words, the fall and the redemption. It’s all told, and I used
to love nothing better than doing that for a group that was interested
to know.
Question about what location Freedom is referring
to on the castle:
Freedom: We’re talking about the entrance of the castle.
The teak is outside his sitting room of the Gothic Suite.
Ron: Where was his bedroom?
Freedom: To the left of that. From where you’re facing
the building, it would be on your right, but when you’re upstairs and
you walk into that sitting room, his was on the left. And as far as not
understanding what these religions were, I love one of his answers.
In fact , I did a documentary down here for the Chamber
of Commerce about Cambria called “In the Shadow of the Castle.”
And we did a little bit of it, the building. Somebody
said, “Was he religious?” I said in answer to that question, when they
asked him,
“If you call yourself a Christian, why are you so
seldom seen in church?” And he said, “The depth of one’s Spiritual convictions
cannot be measured by the number of times an individual is publicly seen
going through gestures in a house of worship.” They said he’d been to
church three times: when he was christened, when he was married, and for
his funeral. He would have known about two of them.
Vern: One of the many things they have for sale in
the gift shop up there is a video cassette that sells for $39.95, narrated
by John Forsythe. Do you know if that is of any worth at all?
Freedom: I don’t know of it. I didn’t even know of
it, let alone of its possible worth.
Ron: I’ve got that tape if you want to see it. Somebody
gave it to me as a gift a couple of years ago.
Freedom: It would be interesting to know what he narrated.
At least in the hands of… it came in good vintage.
Ron: They had it on A&E on “Castles of America.”
Freedom: I saw that. I have seen the “Castles of America,”
and I’ve seen that one. The information was very inadequate and inaccurate.
(Question) Did I express this up there? I used to
very often if I had an interested group.
Question: Who trains the guides?
Freedom: I don’t know who does it now but probably…
as I said, at one time, to the one who was doing it, I said you might
better put a hog farmer in charge of a ballet… it makes the same sense.
Sandra: When are you going to take us on a tour there?
Freedom: I really should have had my mind with me
when Tirza mentioned the possibility of your doing a castle tour; I should
have thought of giving you a slide tour of the castle where you see…
Did anyone get into the library?
Tirza: Yes. Both libraries.
Freedom: O.K. On tour, in person, you get to see those
Greek pottery pieces at a distance of from here to about that van. I’ve
got them taken with zoom lens where you see that 2800 year old amphora
at this range.
___________: You have all those slides?
Freedom: I have over three hundred slides.
Sandra: When are you going to have a party for us?
(Laughter)
Tirza: We’re not forward at all, are we?
Freedom: Not a bit. We came for a purpose, and we’re
going to do it.
But, as a matter of fact, I never have written that
up, but I have thought of it. The one time I actually did start it, at
the behest of somebody who had been a professor (I don’t know who he is);
he had retired and gave my name to somebody on the editorial staff of
Doubleday. He asked me to submit something. So I wrote out just a basic
premise of what it would be, and he sent it back and said “too religious
in concept.” It was Spiritual, but you see, he didn’t know the difference
between religion and Spirituality. Yes?
Vern: Does anyone ever get to read those books in
the library?
Freedom: Research is done by the guide staff into
anything that is considered appropriate. Actually, only a fraction of
the books are there that he had there because they would give them to
the Library at Berkeley, at California State University. His mother had
been a great benefactor. Phoebe had given tons and tons of money to the
University and so did he.
Vern: I was impressed by the first Metronome News
they showed.
In 1933, he made an impassioned plea to buy American,
as he is standing on the streets, and he is saying, “if you buy American,
you help American workers, and you help American companies to make a profit.
In reference to what we see, where are the jobs are going overseas, you
wonder how he would have felt that way.
Freedom: Yes. Where there’s the thing. You never can
tell. I had a man on tour one day who was obviously a let us say Hearst
basher.
You set yourself up for this when you say, “Are there
any questions?” So I had said in front of these fifty three people, “Are
there any questions?” He said, “Yes. Hearst was very opposed to America’s
entry into World War II. That was a very unpopular stand. Why was that?
Why did he take such an unpopular stand?”
I said, “He felt it was not America’s business.” Well,
he said, “He should have known that it would be unpopular, and he should
so and so…” And I said, “Well, look. Wouldn’t he be deified if he took
that same stand today?” We were then in the midst of the Vietnam War.
But you don’t reason with that kind of a mentality.
Vern: I don’t suppose he ever had Orson Wells up here?
Freedom: Orson Wells said on his own accord that he
never had been there, and yet you would think… If anyone would like
to read what Orson Wells said about whether or not Citizen Kane
had any relation to the story of William Randolph Hearst, you should read
Orson Wells own words as the Forward to a book called The Times We
Had, which was about Marion Davies, and
he wrote a very lucid Preamble to the book. He said, “Unfortunately, the
world believes that Citizen Kane was about William Randolph Hearst,
when it was about the Chicago publisher McCormick, who was indeed born
poor, as John Foster Kane was in the film. Hearst was born fabulously
rich to begin with, and McCormick did film Xanadu in Florida, but
not by that name. He did build an opera house for his mistress who had
no voice, and made her sing in it. Marion Davies couldn’t carry a tune
in a hand basket. It’s just a crime. He said it’s Hearst’s own fault that
the public went on believing it, because his publication policy was “Never
answer a critic.” You fuel more fire. So he knew well enough what they
were saying, because he and Marion Davies went to see it in San Francisco.
And whoever sold the tickets to them when they went in obviously notified
the press, because they were there when he came out. And there was this
microphone in his face that said,
“What did you think of it?” He said, “It was very
long.”
Sean: He tried to stop it, didn’t he?
Freedom: That’s what the proposition was to say, but
there was no one who can find any evidence that he did, because God knows,
I saw it in 1941, no 1943.
Ron: They had a documentary on this. The documentary
called Citizen Kane a Hearst vs. _____________.
Freedom: I saw that, too. It is not factually… They
could track that back down. Wells, himself, said he noticed no efforts
to try to stop it.
I heard him being interviewed on a panel, and they
interrogator said,
“But you did not make any more pictures for many years
in this country. You went to England.” He said, “Of course, I went to
England. That’s where the jobs were. That’s where the plots that interested
me were.” He said, “Well, you had some fallow years.”
Wells said, “Name me an artist that doesn’t have fallow
years.” Finally, his dander was so up, Orson Wells said, “You cannot make
me say what is not true. I will not say that I had any difficulty with
W.R. Hearst because of that film.”
_____________: One thing that it pointed out that
I thought was interesting was that alot of the characterizations could
relate to Wells’ own life story.
Freedom: Yes, and he was well aware of that, too.
Because he’s somebody else who really didn’t give much of a damn about
what other people were saying about him. When my voice gets into this
ragged condition, I think what I wouldn’t give for the voice of Orson
Wells. There is something to murder for… (Laughter)
What a mellifluous, rolling, wonderful sound.
________________: (Something to the effect, did you
see Hearst in person)
Freedom: Hearst, himself. No, I never did. Heaven
knows, I was old enough that I could have. I was in Los Angeles when he
died there in Beverly Hills in 1951.
______________: You’ve lived in this area for thirty
years?
Freedom: I lived in this area for thirty years, but
you see he had been dead. Hearst died in 1951. I moved here in 1963. He
was born just before the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863, and he died in
1951 during the Korean War, so he spanned the Civil War to the Korean
War. He was 88, and for a long time was certainly in the thick of it,
of all of the world controversies for most of those years.
Ron: What happened to Marion Davies after his death?
Freedom: After he died, he died at her house in Beverly
Hills in 1951, and then she died 10 years later. She married Captain Horace
Brown. They used to have down at this restaurant down in Morro Bay,
they had a wonderful photograph of the three them. W. R. Hearst, Marion
Davies and Horace Brown, and Horace Brown looked like a dead ringer for
Hearst, say thirty years younger. Because Ms. Davies was 44 years younger
than Hearst. And Horace Brown was probably a little bit older than she.
Anyway, I met him – Horace Brown – came up, because he wanted to give
Marion’s limousine to them, but they wouldn’t take it. They wouldn’t touch
it…
Ron: It was vacant for ten years?
Freedom: Actually the castle was vacant for almost
all of its time. It was not running all the time by any means. He lived
in New York, you know, when this was being done. He lived in New York.
His empire was being run from there until the mid thirties. Then the Second
World War came along, and when things were closed up, he
went to the Bavarian village he built up near Mt. Shasta. And there is
where he spent most of the war years, because that was not so likely to
be bombed, because it was not so visible. Then, as far as its being occupied…
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